to carve out what little international space it has with the olympics underway china's people's liberation army, releasing this propaganda video let's trading a full scale attack on taiwan i want military releasing its own video in response underscoring escalating crime plus strait tensions on and off. >> the court and speaking of the court will what are we seeing in terms of what we see between the players, between the athletes? >> there is there any tension between the taiwanese? chinese athletes that's the interesting thing here. >> not at all. they speak the same language. they seem to have a very friendly report was actually kind of a heart warming moment to see them chit-chatting and interacting and showing good sportsmanship. this extreme sensitivity, erica seems to come from a much higher level. the fact that china, with its dozens of gold metals cannot stand to

broadcast tiny taiwan's winning he just won gold medal in these paris games. this is the second time in a row that taiwan has beat china. in the badminton men's doubles. they also want and tokyo. so that might have something to do with all of this, erica. but certainly those two players got a hero's welcome when they came back here. >> i mean, it is, it is really something great story will appreciate as always. thank you. thanks for joining us. the source starts now jaden, the source tonight, harris and walz taking arizona. another massive crowd in an uphill battle ground, pete buttigieg is here to talk about that. >> donald trump is back on the campaign trail in montana, will tell you why the former president is. they are instead of a swing state. and what hasn't so upset tonight? that he called one of our sources tonight to complain. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source there's a lot of happening on a very busy friday night, the harris-walz ticket

holding a major rally in the critical battleground of arizona or biden narrowly defeated donald trump in 2020 and just as we've seen in pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan, this crowd outside of phoenix was fired up few people showed up in philadelphia the other night and then 10,000 plus walked into a field in western wisconsin and then on wednesday the largest crowd of the campaign showed up in detroit, michigan but arizona just couldn't leave it alone, could it's not as if anybody cares about crowd sizes for anything that was tim walz now, vice president harris is on stage as of this moment, and seconds ago, she reiterated that she believes that her and

her new running mate still have a major fight ahead of them so arizona, this has been a big week as exciting as this is. we cannot lose sight of her really before it in fact, we are definitely running as the underdog we are the underdogs. we are out in great numbers that we got a lot of work to do and this is going to be hard work, but i know we like hard work. hard work is good work for all now is that rally is happening in arizona. we're also waiting on donald trump to take the stage soon and the decidedly non battleground state of montana, he's there stumping for republicans and a critical senate race. and also at a fundraiser to pick up some campaign cash this evening. this is the first time that donald trump has actually been on the campaign trail since harris unveiled her running mate on monday just yesterday, he told reporters that he'll be back in force after the

democratic convention, which would put him off the trail for about the next two weeks, will see if that sticks meanwhile, the harris campaign sounds thrilled about trump's light schedule saying quote, fine by us. cnn's eva mckend is at that harris rally in glendale right now. you are obviously a lot of people have talked about the honeymoon phase of this brace, what this looks like, but you're there in the room, obviously arizona used to be a republican battleground until though biden won it in 2020 just tell us what it's like on the ground. diva well, kaitlan, i'm here to report that the men momentum is absolutely real. this place is filled to the rafters so much energy and enthusiasm to acknowledge a moment that vice president harris had the stage. there were some protesters in the crowd i'm calling for a ceasefire. >> and she actually helped space for that. >> her response was different than what she said in michigan when she said, if you want donald trump to win then say

that. but i'm speaking will tonight shoot acknowledged. they're frustrations? she said that she too, wants a ceasefire and that she wants to and that concert this president biden she's working to caitlin. i'll leave you with this. she had to address the border here in this border state of arizona, and she talked about it tonight saying in which she both supports border security, comprehensive immigration reform, and a pathway and earned pathway to citizenship. so that is how she is talking about this. fragile right here in this battleground state eva mckend in glendale, arizona, even know you'll keep watching that rally, bring us any the other moments that happened while she's on stage. >> my source tonight is the former democratic presidential candidate himself, pete buttigieg, who i should note is appearing here in his personal capacity as a democrat, not on behalf of the biden administration is the transportation secretary, just to be clear for everyone, and

it's great to have you here. you heard what eva was just saying there about that moment. but where vice president harris, as as these pro-palestinian protesters, as they appear to be, started interrupting her rally, how she changed the way she handled it, handled it from a few days ago in michigan. tonight saying, let me just address this issue, saying she does want to get a ceasefire deal. she does want to get a hostage deal done. and then returning to her stump speech what do you make of that change in do think that's the right way to handle these voices well, i think she's handling this with seriousness and sensitivity. >> she understands the passion that people bring to this issue, which of course makes sense because it the anguish over the situation in the middle east. she's also made clear that her position and her goal is peace. a ceasefire deal where the cost to just come home and everybody has greater peace and security in the middle east. nobody is saying that's easy or simple but when you compare how she's approaching it to the real lack

of any kind of meaningful alternative coming from the trump-vance ticket. i think it's one more example of why in the he's troubled times, we need the kind of leadership that someone like her and tim walz are going to bring the washington well, and you heard even mentioned immigration. obviously, it constantly ranks as a top issue, especially in arizona. in your view, how does vice president harris convince voters there that she is better equipped to this to handle this, then donald trump is well, i think part of it is reminding everybody of her own background confronting cartels, making sure from her time as an attorney generals, a prosecutor in a border state, and before that, as a district attorney, attorney that she understands what it means to look after the rule of law and to keep people safe on the other side, something that she's going to point out and has pointed out effectively, you have donald trump who came in to destroy a bipartisan deal that would have made the border safer.

>> and the reason that he destroyed it is not because he had some principled objection. it's because actually precisely because it would have made the border safer and see if the border gets better. it's worse for donald trump because he thrives on that chaos that's why he came in at the last minute and undercut that border deal. but most importantly, her message about that isn't backward looking. her messages forward-looking. she has said very clearly, congress should put that border deal back together bring it to her, and as president, she'll sign it yeah. >> and you repeated that on stage tonight. there's no denying that trump tanked that bill. we had senator james lankford who helped negotiate the republican himself here talk about this, but on immigration itself and for she's been previously, she has in the past voiced support for decriminalizing illegal border crossings. and so when it comes to how she's reversed her positions from some places that she's staked out in the last democratic primary that y'all both brandon. do you want to hear that from harris herself instead of reading about it in

stories on background from reporters order is like what we've been doing well, i think her current position is clear. >> the campaign's made that clear, but most importantly, especially after everything country has been through in recent years, she has made clear where she stands on the legislation that's actually in front of us, which is that bipartisan border deal. and again, this is up against donald will trump, who has no interest in solving the problem. after all, he didn't write one of many things that he promised and failed to do was he ran for president, promising to fix all our problems at the border and make sure immigration was sorted out forever in this country. of course nothing of the sort happened because again unfortunately, the worst that problem gets for for america, the better it is for donald trump harris is on stage with governor walz, her new running mate that she introduced this week, haven't spoken to you since she picked him as her running mate. >> i want you to listen to what former president donald trump said about tim walz yesterday she picked, a radical left man

that is he's got things done that he's he has positions that are just not it's not even possible to believe that they exist he's going for things that nobody's ever even heard of heavy into the transgender world, heavy into lots of different worlds. >> as you know governor walz has been a major proponent for transgender rights, gender affirming care. he signed executive orders regarding that in his home state of minnesota, but i wondered just what your reaction is to how donald trump is talking about that he said that yesterday, the day before he said he's into transgender. everything was it's the quote that he gave to fox news well, first of all, it's another example of trump's inability to talk about what he is actually going to do to me take anyone's lives better. >> what tim walz focused on and focuses on as governor is just that you look at the achievements in minnesota and you don't have to be a

democrat or a progressive to be i think really impressed with what he's done to make sure that every child attending school can eat, to make sure that there's paid family leave, something. the vast majority of americans think we should have, but republicans are against on issue after issue. what you see is what you get with tim walz, which is a pretty commonsensical middle of the road. democrat and midwestern governor. now look, this is a playbook that is as unimaginative as it is unconvincing because that's what republicans say about literally any democrat running against literally any republican they always say that they're too far left. it could be joe manchin running for president and they'd say he's too far left, but it's also a pretty mushy and lazy for donald trump's best attack to be. what was it he's heavily into lots of different worlds you'd think he'll be able to point to a few more specifics, but sometimes you get the feeling that trump's heart isn't in this anymore. the

laziness of his attacks, not to mention the again lack of any coherent account of what he's actually going to do to make americans lives better. >> you think he's a different kind of candidate now than he was in 2020 or 2016 in terms of how he's approaching this race, ukraine yeah. >> i mean, you can just tell that he's lost his step he's getting mushy are fuzzier more confused. you look at this press conference he declared that he was in a helicopter that went down with willie brown onboard. he's never even been in a helicopter with willie brown and it does raise some real concerns about what's happened to donald trump over the years, right? is this a symptom? of something? is he struggling to maintain a grip on reality or to tell the difference between dreams and what is real or best-case scenario he's just lying again republicans are? attacking governor walz over when he retired from the military after he served for 24 years. also overstating his title on some occasions, his rank where he

was as a fellow veteran who you were careful about, how you characterize your service on the campaign campaign trail when you ran what do you make of those attacks i think it's one example. >> one more example of how all they can do is tear down, look in the military, you're eligible to retire after 20 years harris tim walz stayed for 24 years. and some people are trying to attack him because he didn't make a 25 or 26. it's just not the way that most service members, most veterans would talk about their own service or someone else's service and it's part of a broader pattern. pattern especially what you see with j.d. vance, right earlier is getting a lot of attention for the way he talks about family. not so much lifting up the idea of family and talking about how proud he is to be a father, but rather saying that if you're not a parent's, there's something wrong with you the whole childless cat, ladies thing. and there's something similar here, right? if he didn't just say that he's proud of the the time that he served in the marines and leave it at that he has to tear down

somebody else's service and i would say saying that somebody's time in the military is unworthy because they didn't deploy to warzone is a lot like saying that somebody's life choices aren't worthy because she happens to not have children. and there's just a total lack of ability to actually build up, lift up, which is what campaigns are about so much of politics is about how you make people feel so much of leadership is about what you bring out of people. and by that standard, harris-walz has been a home run and we're seeing the exact opposite from trump fans. >> well, i won part of where they've been bolstered is him suggesting that he'd carried weapons in war, which they have clarified, i believe spokesperson said tonight that he misspoke gone that and that he was previously identified and had identified himself as a retired command sergeant major. he served as that was elevated to that, but he reverted back to the rank of master sergeant way left because he did complete the appropriate course work. should he be just careful about how he talks about this

precise and how he talks about this, given it has bolstered what we've been hearing from republicans yeah, of course and they took the opportunity to clear that up. but again, i think this shows you how desperate republicans are not to talk about the issues they don't want to talk about their proposal for tax cuts for the rich. they don't want to talk about their campaign to and a woman's right to choose in this country. so they need us to be quibbling over the finer points of how when you have a conditional promotion to command sergeant major. but don't retire at that rank. it's different from him if you retire at that rank, but you still technically held that those are the kinds of things they want us talking about because they don't want us talking about the underlying issue. same thing with the thing about the weapons that tim walz very much did carry and fire and train on and use across his 24 year military career. the reason why they're going so deep and so hard as to find the one time out of however many times he's talked about the issue that one time when instead of saying the

weapons for he carried the he said the weapons he carried at war it's to make sure that we don't think about what he was actually talking about at the time, which is that weapons like the weapons he trained on, assault weapons, those military style weapons? should not be in our neighborhoods. they should not be in our schools. and they should not be threatening the lives of our children. a position, by the way, that most americans agree with. but the last thing the trump ticket wants to talk about is why they are facing down and disagreeing with the 90% of americans including the vast amount majority of republicans who think we should at least have universal background checks to keep our kids and our communities safe. they want us to be talking about anything but they're deeply unpopular plans. and this is an example of that. so yeah, of course it's important to clear up at the time that he misspoke, but let's not allow them to successful use that to distract what is actually going to affect you right now, sitting at home, hoping your kids will be safe when they go to school,

which is of course not the finer points of terminology. yeah, it's whether the president united states is actually going going to get serious about gun safety. >> pete buttigieg. thank you for joining us tonight thanks for having me on coming up here on the source. >> donald trump is about to take the stage in montana. we're watching that closely, but we're also learning that he made a phone call all an instance, one on the way to that rally, maggie haberman was the recipient of it. she is the new details and she will join us. it's about what you just heard. people to judgment and they're a so-called emergency chopper land, and he says he was in with willie brown never happened period i think my memory is probably better than he is excuse me. can i get this? >> i mean, i know many people

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join me. it's and.com and get paid me. you say the democratic national convention starts monday, august 19 on cnn and streaming on max soon donald trump will return to the campaign stage for his first rally since kamala harris from place joe biden, atop the democratic ticket officially, but the former president is not taking the stage in a battleground state tonight. >> it said you're going to see him in a few moments and reliably red montana or a senate democrat is trying to hold on to a very competitive seat in a very expensive race, donald trump obviously is there

stumping for his republican opponent. that's where we find cnn's alayna treene in bozeman and alayna, obviously, it's been six days since trump's last rally. what are you hearing from the trump campaign about where he is choosing to spend his time and why were held. >> well, it is interesting that he seemed to montana, especially on such an important kaitlan very loud in here you have steve daines behind me right now, warming up the crowd especially in a week where harris vice presidential candidate and announced that she would be running with tim walz. >> they tell me you've heard donald trump himself addressed this yesterday during that press conference at mar-a-lago, that he's going to be picking up his schedule, falling the democratic national convention and not traveling as much as he thinks other candidates need to, because he believes he's doing better in the polls. >> of course, we know that the races tight insignificantly now that harris is a tough nut to get and that they're really in

a dead weight according to our own holes. >> but look, the reason he is in montana, you're exactly right. >> it's too don for senator tim or excusing for senate candidate tim sheehy, who's in a very close race with jon tester, actually caught up with steve daines, montana senator as well as the chairman of the national republican senatorial committee offstage. he's currently on stage behind me, but we spoke moments ago where he told me that he privately encouraged donald trump to come here, even though it's not a battleground state and it doesn't matter for his own campaign because he thanks this state is to winning a senate majority. he said he sees this as the 51st state actor. if they're able to win west virginia, which stay in said he thinks he's competent it in. and so that's what you're finding donald trump here tonight. instead of focusing on his own, kaitlan alayna treene will be watching that rally. thank you very much. meanwhile, donald trump angrily insisting tonight on his way to montana that he can prove he was in an emergency landing and a helicopter with willie brown, even though it is something that the former san francisco mayor himself denied on cnn,

this all started during the former president's news conference yesterday when he said this well, i know willie brown very well. in fact, i went down in a helicopter with him. we thought maybe this is the end we were in a helicopter going to a certain location together and it was an emergency landing. this was not a pleasant landing reporter who was on the other end of an angry phone call from trump this evening is senior political correspondent at the new york times, maggie haberman. okay. i mean, this was like 20th on, like the moments from yesterday's news conference. but but why is angry about this and why is he calling you about it? >> so the phone call was actually on another topic and then in the middle of it, he started railing about this story because the new york times and other locations wrote about the fact they, willie brown, as you know, said it on cnn to says this did not happen. trump got asked about willie brown and he brought up this helicopter story. and what i learned today is that trump put this story in his 2023

book, letters to trump, one of the letters he included was from willie brown. they knew each other in the 1990s and he referenced this alleged helicopter emergency landing finite. nobody noticed it at the time his issue is with willie brown, who is saying that this didn't happen. but in the middle of it so that he has in the bill this phone conversation, he said he has found the records and landed in a field and indicated that he was going to release them. and i said that i would love to see them and he made phone of me asking that in a sort of child sing-song voice and then said it was probably going to sue he said you, i didn't write the story, but i assume him at the paper for writing about this. if he has records, he should show them what i thought was most interesting about this conversation. although certainly if he has these records would write about it and be interesting was that he was focusing on this because that is what we have seen him do historically when he is in times of stress, what do you mean sing-song voice like i really don't want to do a recreation area, get back to

you. right? it was that i asked a question and i said i said i i would love to see the records and it was you'd love to see the records in a childlike voice. >> okay. this came after the new york times wrote up about that news conference yesterday, and all of the moments that happened inside of it. part of that said the goal of mr. trump's news conference was to highlight ms harris has yet to hold a news conference that road or to give an unscripted interview to the news media. both of those things are true. we we just talk to pete buttigieg about it, but but how do they think that they achieved their goal in this? so it's interesting, kaitlan yesterday was such an example of how these to campaigns, and this has been true of every campaign that i have. cover going back to 2004, they are living in different bubbles. those bubbles have gotten more divergent as partisanship has gotten worse, and as create your own media adventures have increased where there's proliferation of outlets more a proliferation of partisan outlets people can choose what information they want to

believe. and so these bubbles exist. and there's these wildly different theories of the case. and so if you talk to the harris people, their basic take was this was a gift. he said a bunch of things that we are going to be able to use and if you talk to the trump people, it was generally speaking, we were really happy. they stood there for an hour and he took questions and yes, he said some things that were not helpful, but he also made a bunch of points that the campaign wants him making. >> he made i don't know who's right. we will find out in november if the right for voters stake it was august 2016 when he made a pretty big campaign shakeup the first time he was running, that he's here, would you raise this idea the other night about him possibly doing that now, just because he's frustrated with how this race has been and reset and how the polls have tightened significantly. do you what's your indication of how he's feeling about the campaign team? it look two things he did a shakeup to shakeups in 20161 in june and he did want an august. >> he did one shakeup in july of 2020 i don't believe that

that is in the offing right now the problem really is not the campaign. the problem is the candidate. the candidate actually still has a lot of advantages that favor him in this race against the vice president. the math favors him. his message in a large way about his record, favors him. the fact that voters, many of them are nostalgic about his record. and this is something we wrote about yesterday too favors him if he could just stick to that message, but he wants to talk about what he wants to talk about like willie brown and a helicopter also, i mean, he's getting in a fight with joe rogan because the very popular podcast hosts said that he supported rfk junior, that he liked him. trump said, now it'll be interesting to see how loudly joe rogan gets booed the next time he enters the ufc rankings so you see fighter, but obviously goes, goes to those events ivf or excuse me, a mifepristone and access to that yesterday was something that trump was asked about if you would have the fda block

access or limit access to it? if he becomes president again, it's a key part of project 2025. harris talk about that on stage tonight. this is what she had to say just yesterday in a press conference, we got a fresh reminder what donald trump's project 2025 agenda would do. >> it wouldn't ban medication, abortion in every state but we are not going to let that happen because we trust women no, he didn't say he ban it, but he didn't give a clear answer on it yesterday, you were there. >> it wasn't even clear to me that he understood what the question was. to be honest, i mean, his answer was incoherent and it was something about support and voters and the question was about fda regulations and about justice department enforcement. so i don't know what he thought he was answering he suggested to time magazine many weeks ago that he was going to have a

major announcement about this and that he felt very strongly about it. and as we have seen him do with many other things, he just kicks it down the road by saying he'll talk about it at a later date as he did with a question yesterday about an abortion referendum in his own state and how hill vote on it. so it is not surprising that the harris campaign framed it that way. it's not quite what he said but he is going to deal with it's until he addresses it. >> yeah your story tonight just really brown is very strong. >> 2016 vibes. there was there was a lot of 2016 now, remember, he won in 2016, so we'll see what that ends up looking like but it also felt like 2020 and that had its moments to maggie haberman, as always. thank you. thank you now, with the critical debate officially on, we have just learned who is going to be helping harris prep to go face-to-face with donald trump by playing the role of donald trump. >> that's next certainly, you can fix that. yeah. >> are you for certain certainty matters like for inference, promo product

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ultimate friends celebration celebrates 30 years of friends all month long on tbs we've already seen how i presidential debate can impact the presidential race. now that nominees, both of them have agreed to at least one debate, the washington post is reporting tonight that felipe rina's longtime aide to hillary clinton has been lined up to now play the role for trump of trump in the debate prep for the harris team. is it experience that he has done before he did it for hillary clinton and he told me recently, it's changed over the years they were two very different donald trumps in the sense that in 2016, i always have a hard time having this come out of my mouth. but there was a message in donald trump, there was a lot of bluster. there was a lot of line, there was all the things that we see now. but at the core, there was talking about health care. there's talking about jobs let's leaving america. there was talking about immigration there was a balance, 2020. he was just an angry guy. he was

grievances. that was out of whack. it's all he talked about this week has stood out in terms of the number of republicans who've been many of them here on this show, pleading with the former president to focus more on his message. >> and less on his grievances. the question of course, is whether or not he is listening our republican source tonight is the governor of new hampshire, chris sununu, governor, it's great to have you here with about less than 90 days to go to the election which you have described is a coin toss. does it make sense to you that donald trump is out campaigning in a state that yes. has a very important senate seat. but, but other than that, he's really just been at home this week and not out in the states that are going to decide who wins this election. >> well, no, look, the trump campaign, right now was fundraising. that's what they're doing. i think everyone understands that august because after the democrats pushed the president aside, they instill camila, they have the new vice presidential nominee. they're going to have their convention august is that honeymoon period. everyone's been saying

it, but it's very real gonna, be, kinda 30 days where folks are really focusing on everything except issues, positions, and where this country wants to go. the trump campaign, my sense is going to really start engaging when folks are paying attention to those issues just after labor day and they're going to make it a 60 day race on issues on the border, on inflation, on homelessness, on all these things that hurt for administration has failed on. and that's why i think you bring up a great point the debate is going to be important. i think she's making a huge mistake by not engaging with the press. she's not doing any press conferences. she's not talking, she's not taking any questions. >> you need to do that to kind of war from up before you jump on a debate stage otherwise, they're going to get the same results as 2016, which is fine by me. >> i'm voting for donald trump, but if they think that this honeymoon period is going to continue forever it's just not i mean, she needs to be up by probably five or six points in most swing states by the end of august because that bump is going to come down, right. so she's going to need that buffalo, but you still be able to withhold i think the

onslaught, but you don't think that it's a mistake of donald trump's not out in michigan and arizona, and wisconsin and pennsylvania over the next two weeks or so well, he could be and again, it's not about, you know, he's known for his big rallies and all that, but he's fundraising, he's i think building coalitions by helping these other candidates knowing that lucky they got to hold the house, they got to hold the senate. there's bigger picture stuff here, so no, i don't i don't blame him for i mean, that's what that's what folks do in terms of leadership. that's what i've done as governor even during my racism always out helping other folks campaign for their races and doing a lot of the fundraising to have the resources. there's probably another $500 million on both sides to be spent over the next 60 to 90 days. >> overall is the way that donald trump is running this campaign. the way that you'd be doing it right now and erase this tight right now. i think i think they're fine. i again, if they pivot right. and as you've guys have been talking about, i've been talking about

if they can pivot and focus on issues and get away from the personal attacks similar to what they were doing about two months ago, right when they had a series of things that really put their campaign into plead substantially. it wasn't just joe biden. i mean, if trump was winning in the polls before that debate, and because they were focusing on issues they've kind of professionalize that campaign a little bit if they can get back to that, i think they can be very successful. >> you said if they pivot three very important words, i would do think that donald trump linked to be vetting it sounds so much him, but as the campaign right, it's how they spend their money, how they spend their resources, how they do their ads, what they're focusing on, there's a lot there. >> when you talked about kamala harris and tim walz, there is a lot there to go after when it comes to positions, issues and actual things of substance since that families want to hear about that, republicans, when republicans went on issues all day long. so as long as we can stay there and investor dollars they're keep the advertising there, keep the momentum there. then again,

they're going to be successful. but as soon as they start kind of falling back into the personal attacks it and never guys have done to write, they're calling him weird, they're doing everyone all american families, just a real discussion. they want to see it but they're calling the other party. >> we're donald trump is going after members of his own party, brian kemp, the governor of georgia, last saturday night, probably got just as many attacks lobbed at him as harris did. and brian kemp was on stage today at erick erikson's event listen to what he had to say about this and i would just lot of noise out there as you can imagine, lots of distraction i'm switch in my opinion is not what we need to be doing. >> right now in the presidential campaign he not only attacked brian kemp, he also attacked his wife governor is he at risk of losing georgia if he continues to go after a very popular republican governor who says he is voting for donald trump yes. oh no,

it's a horrible idea. look, brian is not just a popular governor. he's a great governor. i mean, he's a really phenomenal guy and a phenomenal governor. they get, they have, there's some personal issues that trump still holds. i get brian, a lot of credit. he's taken the higher ground, but no trump is doing himself no favors if he wants to win this race, focus on issues, focus on what do focus on what you want to talk about. that's always the key for a politician. you focus on what you're hearing, the feedback is, i can't pay my bills inflation is going up 25%. i can't pay my rent. homelessness is create. these are the things if you just focus is there where he's going to be very, very successful and in the media it's perfectly normal to be out there campaigning for other, in other races. you don't spend every time only all your time only in a swing state. there's 50 states in the country. and he's gone after all of it. >> yeah, one going after brian kemp's wife as well, covering her sununu. thank you for joining tonight you bet a programming note here because the former governor of minnesota, jesse ventura is going to be joining laura coates live tonight. she's

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under ukrainian assault another disturbing video shows burnout russian military trucks that appear to contain dozens of dead bodies. in russian military blogger says, this is the aftermath of you cranium strike that happened. there's a lot to discuss tonight about what's happening. we're gonna do so with john jay sullivan, who served as the u.s. ambassador to russia from 2019 to 2022. his new book, midnight in moscow, is out now. it is a riveting read and bess are just first on what we're seeing happening right now. do you believe that russia was caught off guard by what has happened here oh, well, first of all, kaitlan, good to be with you this evening. >> absolutely. i follow the russian media day by day and the initial reports were they treated it as a minor incursion and over the last several days, the seriousness of what's happened, there weakness on their border. what's happened to them and their military threatening a gas transit

facility, a large nuclear power plant it's significant and even putin said to address it, well, and what does it say to you that, that he has had to address it about how he is viewing something like this well, certainly he's he's been forced to address it because of this significant the significance of it and the threat that it poses. and you know what reminds me of what happened last year during prigozhin mutiny there were times when the curtain is pulled back and we see how potentially week the russian system is. their lack of transparency. the fact that the special military operation is never described to the russian people accurately it's just lie after lie and then something like this happens and everyone is shocked and surprised as they were with the prigozhin mutiny last year but it's a feature of the system that putin presides over well, and you know that system. >> so well, i mean, given in

the role that you had for so long at such a pivotal time you had meetings with vladimir putin and it's i wonder just given that you're obviously served as deputy secretary of state. that is ambassador. and when it comes to this war, you write in your book that you believe there's no off-ramp in putin's mind given how he is misleading, the russian people day-by-day with russian state tv. and what he says about this what's it like to meet with him? what were those like for you well, you know it was it was surreal. >> of course he launched a war, but they call it a special military operation. they disguised, they won't disclose to the russian people the true extent of their casualties and it's a feature of the russian system. truth is something that is to be twisted and made up if necessary, to serve the interests of the state and it's a feature of the system that goes back to soviet days

and it's something that putin uses to try to a remain in power and keep, keep the special military operation going forward. because as you say as i write in my book, there is no off-ramp he has war aims that he wants to accomplish, and he's not going to compromise them. >> yeah. well, and looking at his relationship and just rush on the world stage right now in the middle east, where we're waiting to see if a iran or hezbollah for that point could launch an attack on israel any day in retaliation for the killing of a top hamas leader, a top hezbollah commander. we have seen how the russian iranian relationship has shifted in the last year, the last two years, how influential do think putin is in a situation like what we're watching and waiting to happen in the middle east right now well, he can certainly have input and have an effect. i'm not sure. he's able to control things. the may the way maybe soviet leaders were certain of

their client states, there isn't the same relationship there isn't the same relationship that there was what certain countries in the middle east during the soviet era so i'm not suggesting that putin can control what tehran chooses to do but he can certainly in his supporting tehran and tehran is supporting russia in its war in ukraine. so there are mutual benefits and he can influence events we saw his, the secretary of his security council, the former minister of defense, shoigu, visit tehran recently after the assassination in tehran, i'm sure to discuss what iran's response is going to be. >> ambassador john sullivan, the book is midnight in moscow. it is incredibly timely for this time right now. thank you for coming on to talk about it my pleasure. >> thank you. >> up next here on the source, we're gonna have our very own donie o'sullivan, who takes a spin with one of america's most recognizable election deniers to find out why the lies have

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spring garnet. it all about trying to keep an open mind is never been inside the white house hey, you're at tyler perry studios in atlanta as conspiracy theories hurt regular people, we will get through this. >> it's caused me to lose my son and lies leads to violence, bring in live rounds right now and shooting people we better move beyond this police line in this land of information. >> in my place and tony donie. >> donie joins me now, what does it how do you say, you know, my mom calls me mistakes or you can can call me whatever but they're not allowed in all honesty. >> that was funny. but you're really traveling the country, talking to these people some of them are dressed like crusaders what are they telling you yeah. >> that look, obviously that's a clip from the show on sunday. nice sum of it's a bit of fun

but look, we really try and dig in here too conspiracy theories about the last selection which we hear every day about the election lies and everything like that. but for a lot of people, for millions of people in this country they are living this every single day. the media, they watch, the social media they consume there former president's is telling them that the election has been stolen and that the only way trump can lose the next election in november is that if it is stolen or the democrats cheese and we saw what happened last time when people were told that i was really touched for the woman who said i lost my son. this is a real thing that, that has split families because family members so fervently believes, i'll complete lie about the election. >> absolutely. and look, it's we often talk a lot about the political side of this plus ramifications, but it really is something that is splitting up families and more and more as

i've spoken to family members who have basically lost loved ones. to this world. how people really don't know what to do because you can't tell somebody what they're saying. straight up and it's kind of stupid or silly or whatever because you risk pushing that person for their way, potentially pushing them further down the rabbit hole. so it's really it is a bit of a a it's i mean, it's it's a huge issue in this country and it's a huge issue that is happening up to the halls of congress, to the kitchen table. >> and i think when you when you see these people believe this, it's because people in power tell them that it's moving or they're look, i mean, i think if you if you are consuming this media race all the time, and if you have somebody as powerful as trump, who a lot of people idolize telling you this over and over again. a lot of folks truly believed this stuff. rice we know of course and you know, there's a lot of people that know better lot of people that

are pushing this know that they're lying. >> they know the last election was not stolen, but a lot of people who truly believe this, if you truly believe it, then it makes sense. it's almost irrational thing to go and do something like shelf in the capital. >> he spent a lot of time with michael and lindell, the my pillow guy rolling rudy giuliani's trip to the republican convention. that's true. you spot it yeah look, mike lindell is obviously somebody we all know as my pillow guy. you might not have seen him on tv as much over the past few years. we actually got to visit his pillow factory there in minnesota but look, he has not gone away. he has not stopped. he is part of this new universe yeah. >> i can't wait to watch this, especially you know, 90 days out from the election where people, trump's laying the groundwork potentially for this to happen. again, donie o'sullivan, great reporting is always cannot wait to watch this as an all new episode of the whole story with anderson cooper. it is one whole hour, one whole story. it'll be this sunday, 8:00 p.m. eastern